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Tanizaki's zest for language is as great as his characters' zest for amorous adventure. In my English translation, I aimed for a rich, almost lavish, prose style relieved from excess by the occasional spark of wit or mischief. Did I succeed, or overshoot to produce a ponderous parade of polysyllables?

I have posted a few questions and comments of my own to get the discussion going. Please get back to me on these, or any other, points.

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15 » Rebecca      Ethiopia     Date: 01.02.2012 Time: 15:59:27

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12 » Giles Murray      London     Date: 09.11.2009 Time: 08:45:28

I didn't know that Tinto Brass, the notorious Italian director responsible for "Caligula," had made an adaptation of Tanizaki's "The Key," set in early 20th-century Venice. Regarded as "one of the best erotic movies ever made," the film has all sorts of fan sites on the Internet.

Here is the Amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/Key-Frank-Finlay/dp/B000066C6C
11 » Morgan Kershaw      London     Date: 19.05.2008 Time: 04:20:54

PAGE 233
Why do you use the expression "fiendishly labyrinthine"?

Clearly the narrator loves words, the more obscure or difficult the better, as part of his lifelong quest for novelty and stimulation. He also may have an upper-class tendency to exaggeration, as seen again in the "tremendous downpour" you mention on Page 309 later. You could also argue that long words and a certain preciosity of language are a kind of rampart that he has constructed to keep others at a distance from him and the citadel of his immense self-regard.

PAGE 249 & 327
Mr. S.K. uses the non-native English expressions to show how sophisticated he is and add a non-quotidian flavor to whatever he is talking about. To achieve the same exotic effect in English I suppose one has to translate the expressions into an another language.

Page 281
Sally forth...

I can think of a few reasons why you might have chosen this word: (i) it has military connotations and (ii) it is associated with displays of wit as in a "brilliant sally."

I also wondered if your choice of the word might have something to do with the British expression "Aunt Sally," derived from <Aunt Sally, name given to an effigy of a woman smoking a pipe set up as an amusement attraction at English fairs for patrons to throw missiles at> and meaning "an object of criticism or contention; especially : one that is set up to invite criticism or be easily refuted," but that didn't seem to make much sense. Maybe you use the verb "sally forth" because "Sally" is a woman's name and he's dressed as a woman...or is that just too tenuous?

PAGE 293
Her nose is "sharp" because she is seen by Mr. S.K. as a sexual predator like himself. I think a similar reason lies behind your choice of the verb "ferret out" on Page 327: Mr S.K. is feral, all claws and sharp teeth after his prey, like a pitiless hunting animal.
Reply: Morgan,
Thanks for the post & sorry for the delay in replying.

You're right on all accounts.

A case could be also made that he uses the adverb "fiendishly" to send us a subconscious warning that he is a devil who delights in wickedness and mischief.

I didn't know the expression "Aunt Sally," but the idea of using a woman's name as a verb meaning "to go outside dressed as a woman" was one of those irresistible pieces of serendipity which occasionally come the translator's way.

As you say, the woman's "nose" is the beak of the weaker of two birds of prey. The idea of the hunt and primitive savagery is all over the story--the narrator's nostalgic recollection of hide-and-seek and blindman's bluff; his yearning for the tropics; his eyes dull and glassy like those of a savage and so on. Perhaps most tellingly, the woman is described as a "sweet-tasting bait to entrap men's hearts."
10 » Bernhard      Vienna     Date: 22.04.2008 Time: 15:54:26

I found it interesting that he dressed as a woman.
My Japanese prof told us that some Japanese male teenagers wear skirts and that they become popular with the girls by doing that.

I have failed to find proof for this, however. Does anyone know about this?

I also liked the end of the story. When he discovered her secret he lost all interest.

I think, that is why dating gurus like Neil Straus (The Game) recommend the push pull principle and to build up tension:

"A Tension Loop is when you do something to create unresolved emotional tension inside a woman, increase it, release it by bringing closure to it, and then spark it all over again. This will keep her feeling the emotion of wanting and reaching and chasing for more of you."
http://www.seductiontuition.com/swinggcat/push-pull.html

So never buy a woman a drink. Make her earn it first : )

By the way, a great source for how to flirt with Japanese women is: www.japanlair.

It is not sleazy, it is about better communication and about how to make others feel better : ) And in addition, you can learn Japanese...
Reply: Bernhard,
Certainly if you go to ordinary shops here like TOKYU HANDS or DON QUIJOTE you can buy a variety of women's costumes (school girl, nurse, China dress etc.) in man's sizes in the party section along with balloons and crackers.
Perhaps I should point out that these tend to be 100% cheap artificial fibres so are unlikely to have the textures, let alone the colors, that gave so much pleasure to Mr. S.K. in the Tanizaki story!
It's fair to say that dressing up, including cross-dressing, is a kind of institutionalized silly behavior in Japan (this is something that a few hours of TV watching would quickly corroborate). There isn't really any pressure to conform to some working-class macho ideal and people are pretty good at ignoring one another too, so you can dress up as an unconvincing woman (not like Mr. S.K.) and wander around without fear of being beaten up.
There was a funny case a few weeks ago of a middle-aged man dressing up as a school girl and hanging around near a high school. When the janitor tried to chase him away, the man decided to rush into the school precincts where he thought his disguise would enable him to blend in and disappear. Of course, all the girls started screaming and he got arrested!
As for the Japanlair, I see I have to register to get in & I think I'm a bit old for that. On a related point, I believe (maybe my editor will correct me) that one of the best-selling Japanese language books of all time is "Making Out in Japanese." Last time I looked it was in its 27th printing! Clearly appealing to the baser (or just simpler) instincts can be a more profitable business than trying to interest people in literature!
Since you have obviously read The Secret to the end, would you like me to send you the audio CD? Mail your postal address to me at:
hypnotextATMARKhotmail.com
(I don't use @ here because I'm afraid of getting automatic junk sent to me if I do.)
9 » Giles Murray           Date: 14.04.2008 Time: 13:18:32

smile smile GREAT COMPETITION!! smile

Poor Tanizaki seems to be generating less traffic than either of the other writers in "Exploring," presumably because he's that much more difficult.

As an incentive, I'd like to offer a Shinchosha audio CD of "The Secret" and "The Tattooer" to the first person who posts a comment of decent length and intelligence.

The comment does not have to be micro-analysis of the nitty-gritty of translation. Feel free to comment on any aspect of the story that grabs you. Opinions on decadence in general, or revelations of your personal adventures as a cross-dresser or blindfolded romantic commuter—anything and everything welcome!

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8 » Giles Murray           Date: 07.04.2008 Time: 00:11:13

People interested in a more contemporary version of Tanizaki's favourite bedside book, Krafft-Ebbing's "Psychopathia Sexualis," might find something to enjoy in "Who's Been Sleeping in Your Head?: The Secret World of Sexual Fantasies" by Brett Kahr, which "The Economist" describes as "gripping ... also somewhat alarming." It is based on a survey of 18,000 people, so very solid and academic.

There's a review here:
http://edwardlucas.blogspot.com/2008/02/something-for-weekend-sir.html
7 » Giles Murray      Tokyo     Date: 02.03.2008 Time: 15:21:31

I have just listened to the Shinchosha audio CD of "The Secret" for the first time. Kei Satou, the actor who reads it, has a good, rich voice, although I would have preferred him to read a tad more slowly, especially for the first, more descriptive part of the story, which is so dense and difficult.

I found that I really enjoyed listening from around the page 326 area (the 40-minute mark), where "Mr. S.K." starts wanting to find out where he is being taken to in the rickshaw every night. The volume of dialogue increases and the pace picks up as the story heads toward its conclusion.

I shall listen again and see how my impressions change.
6 » Giles Murray           Date: 21.02.2008 Time: 06:35:49

For people who want to enjoy audio, Michael Staley, editor of "Exploring...," has cleverly discovered a CD of Tanizaki stories that includes "The Secret." A Japanese bookshop in your country should be able to order it for you if you take along a printout of the page.
http://www.shinchosha.co.jp/book/830180/
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I have ordered the CD from Amazon Japan and will let you know if it's any good.

Here is the link for the Audio CD on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/刺青-秘密-新潮CD-谷崎-潤一郎/dp/4108301803/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203852772&sr=8-2

TITLE: 刺青,秘密 (新潮CD) (単行本)
PUBLISHER: 出版社: 新潮社 (2006/04)
ISBN-10: 4108301803
ISBN-13: 978-4108301801